This, ladies and gentlemen, is a good deal. Note that most AV outlets will be selling the 2012 models as the new 2013 models come in. This looks to be the first of the Summer Receiver Sale season. Cheers.

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True. I haven't compared the additional features that the 2013 model adds yet. My guess is that the technology hasn't progressed that significantly to warrant the extra expense - at least not in this model.

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Something to keep in mind is that the THD of this receiver is .05%, which is near impossible to find at this price point. The 3313CI is .08% which means the quality of the amplifiers has been sacrificed for features. I would not buy the 3313CI over the 3312CI at any price because of this alone.

Edit: Amazon shows the THD is .05% on the 3313CI but that is incorrect; .08% is per Denon's website.

Any suggestions how this Denon stacks up to an equivilant Yamaha?

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The difference between 0.05 and 0.08 for THD is not discernable by anything the human ear could perceive and is not relevant to the purchase decision.

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They are totally the same in all aspects. The only difference is in the audiophiles preferences. Like with cameras, there are Canon and Nikon, it is what you believe to be better.

AVS Forum is always one of the go to places for info on anything home theater. Here's the "official" thread for discussion of the Denon xx12 series (just read the first couple of posts for info on model differences):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread

Sorry, the human ear isn't possibly going to detect the difference between .05 and .08% THD. Anyone who claims they can is just deluding themselves.

You are correct; the current theory holds that there is no audible difference <.1% THD. What it does show though is the quality of the components, and .03% is a substantial measurement difference between the two models. I will be curious to see side by side comparisons in the future between the two. Receivers at .08% THD are commonplace, but not at .05% anymore and certainly not in this price range.

The xx13 doesnt hijack airplay from the main zone speakers, and has three hdmi monitor outputs for dual zone over HDMI.

That being said:

The 3312CI is a hause for this kinda coin, and many would say is the last of the quality Denons. In many ways the quality of the xx13 has been sacrificed this year, New facsia but other than that just cheaper looking in general. Denon even took of AM radio on some of the lower models.

If you need to stream XM/Siriius and Spotify from the unit itself , (for some reason you can't do this from your ipod/ipad/iphone/android/or airfoil over pc_ than the xx13s are better for you I guess, but most of us can just press the airplay buttom from the apple source and it works like a charm from the app.

This is perhaps the best AVR value of this quarter, and wont last long imho

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When I hear the "no human ear can hear <whatever>" comment about high-end audio differences, I am reminded of the early days of CD's, when they were considered "perfect sound forever" and yet audiophiles were horrified by the sound. For years this was dismissed and then, in the 90's I believe, "jitter" was discovered (it may be incorrect to say discovered) and the means for measuring it, and why it occured were all determined, etc. (Turns out clock synchronization is more important than was realized.) Papers were presented, research corraborated, and jitter measurement is now part of any high-end digital equipment review.

It also takes a well-trained ear, and an opportunity to hear very high-end audio equipment, to be able to hear differences.

So yes, "most" people can't hear many things (and of course age takes a toll on range of hearing). But that doesn't mean that it's a universal truth for everyone.

My current and previous recievers are Denon. I had the 3802, and now have the 4308. I went through the same decision making when purchasing my current unit. Higher quality and more power at half the price vs having the latest generation of a lower model (spending double wasn't an option). My model lacks 1.4 connections (for 3D bluray), but I have no urge to replace it yet as there are work arounds (dual HDMI outputs on bluray players).

This unit at this price point will blow anyone away. Anyone using a reciever older than 5 years will get many significant features upgrading to this model. I have a large bag of video and audio cables that are obsolete and were replaced by a single HDMI cable delivering perfect uncompressed HD audio and video (suggestion... get your HDMI cables from monoprice...) The Audyssey self calibration does a great job of setting up my speakers (another suggestion... buy a cheap 50 or 100 foot roll of 12 gauge speaker wire... it's all the same...). The extra power on this model will drive any speaker at high volumes effortlessly (suggestion three... allocate as much as possible for good speakers and a nice subwoofer...). I love Denon products.

Seeking advice here....I was considering buying the Yamaha RX-A2010BL, which I found for a what I think is a fairly good mark down at $1,050. Now there is this Denon to consider for $550. Don't know whether or not the Yamaha would be worth the extra $500? Today I'm using the Yamaha RX-V1900BL, which is a pretty nice receiver in its own right....so maybe I should just stick with what I have. Would really appreciate opinions from those audiofiles in the know...thanks.

What type of speakers for this?

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The Yamaha Z11 is no Yugo, believe me. It is every bit the equivalent of the Denon 5308CI.

However regarding this GOLD BOX deal, it's pretty amazingly good and anyone in the market for an AVR who is cost conscious would be crazy not to consider it. It's even cheaper than a refurb model through Dakmart by $100 and they are authorized.

I would love to pick this up right now, could probably sell my TX-SR805 and not be out much, but I'm holding out for a few more months so I can afford to get the Denon 4311 as I love the dedicated pre mode for whenever I happen to pick up a power amp.

I'm a cheapskate. I used to be an Onkyo guy, and still believe they're the best value when it comes to AVRs. However, when the Denon AVR-4311CI 9.2 Channel Network Multi-Room Home Theater Receiver with HDMI 1.4a went on sale for $1,300 (MSRP $2,100) in March I was all over it. At first I was suspicious due to the huge price drop, but after a few months playing with it and have been really impressed. The build quality and features are fantastic. And although power isn't everything, the watts/channel numbers are more accurate, even understated according to one bench test. And in the day of iTunes music dominance, AirPlay is a very convenient feature, especially for those with an iPhone.

This is the best deal I have ever seen Amazon offer. If you are in the market for a new AV receiver you can do no better.

Wrong. For a consumer that's an audiophile; this is an important point.
For a casual listener, it's not.
But, just because it's not important to one doesn't make it unimportant to the other.

I wouldn't go to AVS forum unless you can tolerate the elitist attitudes and those that think they can never be wrong.

Denon's receivers tend to drop in price dramatically when the new model year arrives -- I'm not certain this a good deal or not, you may see similar pricing for this model elsewhere until supply runs out.